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ok.  it took me forever to find where the computer keeps this pic hidden.  but here we are.  i had posted this when i had the old Blogger blog.  am always tempted to blur out the cigarette, but  that would not be full disclosure.  yes.  and i roll my own.  only Manya appreciates  this.

this is 4 years ago now.  and yes, that is me in the middle.  daughter Jenny on the right and her daughter, my granddaughter Alyssia on the left.   it's the best and really, the only pic of the three of us or i would use another.  in this pic i remind self of two things:  first, i think i look like George Burns, and second, looking at this me, i remember a hermit crab my daughter had as a little girl.  now and then it would give up its shell and for days wander shelless and so vulnerable and just so thinskinned looking …it scared us in its exposed state.  anyway…i don't really look like this.  it was a day that for the first time  all my kids were together here.  these two and my son and his woman and my grandson.  it was a little startling, all these large people, all milling about.  and we were doing some intense remodeling thing of the kitchen/ROOM.  and i'd put on my ONLY dress, because it was a special day. 

anyway. 

they have dibs on me.  their other parent/grandparent was given to my son.  he "gets" his dad.

so, Michelle, as you can imagine,  i sometimes think it might be easier to be singular.  they are magnificant, but they are also two Women.  we will learn to compromise some things i think over the years.  and when i realized i was facing a choice of remaining here or putting in with my daughter's north california goat dream,  i thought a lot about the concept of deferring to the Next.  and it was the advent of some very good thinking that i feel is just a normal developmental stage in the life of an adult female (or male, i guess).   there isn't just this long expanse of "adulthood", where we just stay the same,  we continue changing, growing, evolving.  if we choose to.   and to me, the active participation in moving toward a "state of being irrelevant" is just Real and pragmatic.

i think i feel differently about looking at things than a lot of people.  i don't see thinking about my old age as dark or sad.  and i think it's a lot because of buddhist study which simply sees this as a given and part of the beauty of the "work" of being human.  "Every thing [is] a promise of some future something",  until that future undeniably becomes a limited present.  and to me, this is not in the slightest sad.  i think about it a lot.  my daughter and i talk about it a lot.  and i watch people i know, my own age (just entering Old) and people who are in their 80s and 90s that choose different forms of denial which end up being very hard on them and those who love them.  we last a long time nowdays  and very likely we won't be "beamed up", but will become    irrelevant, actually, as far as being able to maintain our  role as the heroine of the play.  we will need to defer.  so to think about it is a really good thing and i think the Best thing along with actually living each day with great purpose and intention NOW.  no regrets down the line. 

and Michelle, i know you know all this.  so these words are just so you know where i stand with it all and that i am open and oh so willing to explore the thinking.  the thing that bothers me most is when all this is treated like some forbidden pessimistic train of thought that descends if we let it.  but should be kept at bay forever.  

anyway….this isn't at all what i'd hoped i'd write but it's what came out and i will add more as the days go along as comments to mySelf.   and THANK YOU for being who you are and your oh so glowing relevance to my world in this present. 

 

 

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49 responses to “developmental stages, expected and desired. conversation with michelle”

  1. jude Avatar

    well here is that picture again. your eyes, her eyes. so much the same.
    so this picture is timeless. . it has been yesterday, today and tomorrow. at least in blogland.

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  2. Jeannie Avatar

    I have always been surrounded by elders. I have always communicated better with them. I understand them. My aunt (86) said old is twenty years older than you – lol! I hear my Mom and aunt talk about this old lady down at the Legion and discover that she is 92. They are 80 and 83. It is all perspective. The picture speaks so much of love and that is what is most important.

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  3. Michelle in NYC Avatar

    You are absolutely so fine! I want to sit and say many profound things, but you know enough. I do not think of the dark without the light, nor the light without the dark. Those sharp distinctions have subtle shades of gray between them, where most of my thoughts find balance. I am so grateful for your excellent company here, your openness and full disclosure. The singular life is what it all comes down to anyway, regardless of who or what we live our lives with. Each to her/his own destiny, shaping it in daily acts, growing into full being with each gesture. Sometimes timid, sometimes brave, we are always simply wandering on the pat as it appears to us, treading the waters of a life, one small drop in the vast ocean of it. No matter how we plan, life happens to us, and everything hinges on how we relate to that (I am reminded of this Lennon song I love for it’s lyric http://youtu.be/Lt3IOdDE5iA)—–That’s all for now. Must get outside to the rainy day soon for errands, and finish my feather, and call the gardeners helper I will need to plant bulbs next week, and practice the song I will sing for dress rehearsal tomorrow night with the theater group—–more in days to come. Big Love to you.

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  4. Michelle in NYC Avatar

    OOps—-returned to repost that You Tube link correctly
    http://youtu.be/Lt3IOdDE5iA

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  5. Nancy Avatar

    My next door neighbor is 74. She has ‘ladies’ (her word), elders that she helps…drives them to doctors, drug store, ya know that kind of stuff. She always speaks as if they are so much older than her. Another, an aunt who is 83, very busy like she was at 63. She drives, goes on cruises and vacations…
    My mom’s 87 year old friend, quite active-even if she no longer drives. Her friend comes to pick her up some days. She is the same age.
    As my mom’s health spiraled down, as she was dying, she still talked like she was not one of the old ones. She was 80. It is so much perspective and where on your own path you are.
    I have my poor energy days that make me feel more like a peer to these ladies, than their junior. And then other days, not so much.
    Like Jeannie- I have a deep respect for my elders. Always have really. Even in high school when my peers did not seem to.
    Michelle-I thought of that song/line right away too 🙂
    I am so glad you felt as if you trusted enough to post your feelings. This is so good. And not irrelevant at all-you have given me so much through who you are and what you choose to post.
    Grace- Jude is right: those eyes. When I went back for a second look, I began to see the shape (your eyes) in cloth … ahhhh…but, how to capture the beautiful light in your eyes? That would be some magic indeed! Maybe a snip of Deb’s dyed fabric would do it!
    Love to all here 🙂

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  6. Jennie Avatar
    Jennie

    wow. Linda said “it’s right there, under comments” and I looked again. Yep. I can speak with you, could have all along.
    Your blog, Grace, is the only one I read daily, when I do Magic Dairies. You are such a huge inspiration for me. Thank you for every word you write, and for the photos that say worlds, and take me right in to Graceland.
    All blessings,
    Jennie

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  7. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    jeez, Jennie….i blush. and you didn’t know you can
    write reams here if you want????? so now i will be
    looking for you!!!!!!
    you gave me smiles!!!!

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  8. nance Avatar

    grace i think to many of jude’s readers you are the next step. you have a way of pulling people in. you are gifted with words that you can form into really beautiful meanings. you are able to let the flow out and capture it in a way that is relevant to anyone who visits here… and how many more like jeannie who come but don’t know they can respond…for what ever reason… i am in the last category… sometimes i just cannot respond. my head is so full of words but they don’t come in any orderly worldly way… i am highly empathetic with anyone i meet here or in the non virtual world. the aloneness that michelle brought up is something i believe we all experience. i mean don’t we have to? it doesn’t mean that we do not have an effect on others…we never can know all of that… a kind word at the grocery store to someone you will never see again might have mde a huge difference to that person yet we continue to be alone…. we are unique each of us. and to greater or lesser degrees… i always feel like i don’t fit in. ever. i am singular. i have put in my time as a single woman but now i have a wonderful husband who is a soul mate. but no one can match up perfectly.. there are always times when i am reminded that i am singular. it can be lonely. as far as aging… well though i am not buddhist.. or any other religion… i have absorbed many of its philosophies. i really have learned to be appreciative of the moment. now is really all we have. and each moment holds a truth and a way forward. when i am in that singular frame of mind… and yes, i do feel irrelevant in the small picture, and who really knows about the big one?… i sometimes get stuck. i wonder why it is like this? why am i lonely when i have so many wonderful people in my life… not many here in the same place though. but i come back to being human… if i feel this way there must be others that do as well. and there you are michelle popping in and expressing it… and better than i ever could. but then here i am writing…today is a good day.

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  9. ;uie Avatar
    ;uie

    It takes an open heart, a questioning mind as well as a knowing soul to open doors for others. grace, you have always done that and Nance, you do that also by your willingness to speak deeply. In full disclosure, Nance, grace and I have been friends for a long time and we met online in a writing group and also in person:
    Like you, Nance, there are times when I am singular even in my married state and I have been married for over 41 years. Now at the age of 64, I have come to know that the big picture for me is a small daily one, the path of seeking the daily ordinaries. It is a path sometimes shared with my husband, other times,a singular path, both important to my sense of who I am and my well being. Some of you may know from previous comments that I have made here on grace’s blog that for the past 9 years, I have been a vagabond, traveling and living in different places in the U.S. since my husband retired. It can be a lonely existence but for the most part, I am a solitary woman. I don’t blog but do read and participate, now and then, in blogs. What nurtures and gives me perspective as the years go by, as my homes change, as I age, is my sense of the land and the seasonal changes that seem to echo my days as the years go by. Traveling around, every few years has deepened my awareness of the belief that each day requires only one thing: that I be fully present in the day. What these vagabond years have taught me is that everywhere we live, the gifts of the land, are my companions. It is hard to put this into words but everywhere we have lived, the land is my anchor, even though geography changes.
    Now there is an new dimension to our lives; we are grandparents and the pull to move closer to family is a strong one as is the concept that grace speaks of, deferring to the NEXT. My husband was orphaned at 3, my parents died when I was in my early 30’s, so in one sense, I am the matriarch of my family but rather than hold onto that, I think of this coming time in my life as the next shift; of my presence at the periphery, and it is a good feeling, this idea of standing on the side, rather than in the center.

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  10. ;uie Avatar
    ;uie

    When I looked at my comment, my name was weird so this is Marti who made the comment that began with, “It takes an open heart…”

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  11. nance Avatar

    i was just about to call grace because this sounded so much like you marti! i have said here that i also have known grace for a long time… i now will say to everyone that i have known marti for a long time, for it was in the same writing group that the three of us met. and now re reading what you wrote, marti… i misinterpreted the comma after my name. so you were saying the same thing!
    yes marti you would know loneliness and solitude with your vagabond lifestyle. i grew up that way… my dad being in the service. i often wonder if that is why i always feel on the outside of things.

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  12. jude Avatar

    graceland, perfect…

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  13. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    i think it’s timeless in anyland. it’s about a day
    when we all realized who we really were, individually and
    together.

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  14. jude Avatar

    and then we kept going

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  15. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    yes. i have loved elders too. but i have had the
    opportunity in these last years to watch some become so
    resistant to accepting their changes. THIS is what i
    want to understand about for my self and my daughter. i really want to keep our conversation going till my last breath. i think i will.

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  16. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes! dark and light are the same
    entity. dark/light. yes.
    and BIG LOVE back to you! i am GLAD for you in my life.

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  17. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    yes, it IS perspective. and shaped by so much. i LIKE
    becoming every day what i am becoming. It is GOOD to me.
    it is the Ultimate learning. and i would not give up
    one day of it.

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  18. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    that’s where Elvis lived

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  19. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    here you are, writing. it’s that existential stuff.
    hard to capture for more than a fleeting moment.
    i love you. you know that.

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  20. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    Where on Earth did that come from????;uie…???? but i
    kinda like it, really.
    yes. we three could be an emblem for internet connection.
    and the beauty of it is that it continues. Everyone
    MATTERS.
    you put it well, that though you live with a partner of
    long standing, you remain singular in certain ways, within yourself. i know this about you. see it. hear it.
    that is something really important to take into the
    equation here. thank you for that, for making it more
    clear than ever before.
    and i love you

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  21. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    but you are not anymore. those days are long gone.

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  22. Nancy Avatar

    Yes, here you are writing and I am so glad for it. Not so alone as you may think as now Michelle and you and Grace too have expressed many feelings I have often. I always think of the Dylan line “in this lonely crowd”. It rings so true. Here’s a link:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqJJdiG61jo&feature=related
    This version is so community, so jamming. I like that for here, for this place.
    Grace, I do agree with her assessment of the steps here. You DO draw people in. With your way of Seeing things and the Way you stitch. And yes with the words you weave, often spaced and punctuated for connection and communication…often words placed sparingly, but with such power – they take one to heart of things…they race us in and there is no time for anything but honesty. This is good and right for me, for many I think. I notice on Jude’s “vacations” we are often all over at your house chatting it up…seeking that connection from like-minded souls…a much needed connection I do believe. Even for us lonely (or alone) ones!
    So Thank You Grace for all you do.
    And Thanks Nance for your heart-true important words.

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  23. Deb G Avatar

    Your post today has helped me make sense of something. Thank you. Also, been thinking of your last posts on my bus rides today (that’s when I do a lot of thinking) and of my childhood and alone-ness. So many of my childhood summers were spent on the boat, just family. Of how much that has shaped who I am and how I approach things.

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  24. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    Nancy..i really have and have always had difficulty with
    accepting positive things…so…still, it is…..
    and i need to put here the disclaimer, to neutralize
    your words…yes. i need to.
    i used to want to be a writer and i wrote wrote wrote
    and all of a sudden, i didn’t want to anymore.
    so, this blog is a real challenge. Jude is a real challenge. Cloth is a real challenge. YOU are a real challenge.
    the writing group which was Story Circle, is an international BIG TIME womens writing thing. i quit.
    i had thought it would prime the pump and i would finally
    write.
    nance and marti are witness to that whole event.
    i quit because i needed to censor what i wrote.
    hmmmm.
    and i found that i had Ego enough to be opposed to that.
    and i didn’t like the feeling.
    so i quit.
    so, here, i find self sometimes writing stuff again. i
    don’t know how i feel about that.

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  25. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    childhood.
    here we are, grown women. and making relative constant
    reference to childhood.*
    another thing i talk with my daughter, granddaughter
    about.
    my childhood was spent alone after the age of 7 for sure,
    maybe, really, in a certain way, always.
    i lived down by the creek.
    my family was trees, water, decaying logs and their
    inhabitants. a tribe of imagined First People…indians.
    *should mean a lot to you, as someone who cares for the
    little ones in the absence of their mother

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  26. Deb G Avatar

    We often talk at trainings and gatherings about how important it is to stay in touch with childhood, to remember what our experiences were…as part of maintaining empathy and sympathy for children.

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  27. nance Avatar

    yes i know that… you love all of us.

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  28. Nancy Avatar

    Grace I have so many response thoughts to all of this. I hope you view ‘challenge’ in a good way! At least I’m in good company 🙂 Grace – You write beautifully and with your own distinct style. Much more in my head…can’t think of how I wish to say it…
    Marti- Lately that has been my dream, to just travel around from place to place (with the guy of course).
    Nance & Deb – I have a very different childhood history than you, but have also felt like I was looking in much of the time. Some of it relates to sensory stuff, but I don’t think that’s the whole of it.

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  29. sandra Avatar

    yep, the feeling of being alone, even if you are among people.
    Getting older is a gift. I lost two friends when they were young mothers, from that moment on I realised that it’s a gift to get older.

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  30. Penny B Avatar

    Three beautiful women
    Three different stages of life
    So important to honour and really experience each stage.

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  31. manya Avatar
    manya

    no time to read all..will come back later
    wanted to say
    I am SOOO GLAD

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  32. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    i wrap SOOO GLAD around us like a cape, Manya.
    love and love,

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  33. nance Avatar

    i am not making myself clear… i do have friends all over the world and i don’t discount how important they are to me. but here in this place that i live and love, i have very few friends…, lots of acquaintances, but not true friends… well thats just how it is and it is enough. it will lead me on to the next level. it always has.

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  34. manya Avatar
    manya

    grace, once more I’ll write even if what wants to be told does seem weird
    when I see that picture, the other time and now, it jumps out at me. I don’t know what, but it is very strong.
    and a thought came to me today: I am in that picture- not there, with you on the day it was taken, but here and now that i see it, it bridges space, time and cyber-whatever, maybe where the fingers touch that cigarette,maybe where the light touches the cheek, maybe between shoulders and nape of neck..the picture takes me in and holds me, with a tenderness..and a recognition..so..and it makes me glad!!! and now, reading everybodies comments in small bites (to have time to digest) I think that it must be true
    and then i read (again, and again ) judes “and then we kept going” I know it is true
    yes glad is the word
    love m.

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  35. manya Avatar
    manya

    and fingers are the only way to eat olives…at least in this house!!

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  36. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    i think it has so many levels, for each of us.
    as you say, lots of acquaintances
    so…that is true for you.
    here, there is almost never, another person here.
    so…all these differing Ways of being. so interesting..

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  37. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    yes, and to share those experiences with one another.
    as we see, they are so different

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  38. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    yes. “challenge” is what feeds my Life.

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  39. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    Sandra…what a profound statement..young mothers…
    that would change everything, i can see it.

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  40. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    as i said in the past, it has turned out to work so well,
    our being at the point in life we all are, Together.
    who would have guessed, when my daughter had Alyssia at
    age 16. but now, i am so glad for that. it will create
    an amazing period of time for us.

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  41. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    it is, isn’t it. you there, with the three of us. i have
    said, and i don’t remember when and where…as i began
    telling them about my sisterhood with you, there was no
    surprise on either their parts. just small sounds of
    “of course”, and you know, them both, seperately and then
    sharing it, they both have “always” wanted to come* to Greece if anywhere.
    Alyssia is the force among us and when ever we are
    together she talks of us going to Greece, an important
    sacred time of us. I remember their faces when i told
    them about you taking the wool to the sea, to set loose
    in net bags to wash in salt water with the ebb and flow.
    i don’t have words for their faces as i spoke.
    so, yes. we Know you and you Know us. it doesn’t matter
    how, it just IS. and yes. Glad is the word. Gladness
    blankets us with all of it.
    * interesting choice of word…”come”, not go, but “come”.

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  42. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    i really meant, fingers yes, but also, really
    by the hand full.
    handfulls of olives. the oil dripping all over and
    who cares, just
    More.
    and oh jeez, i just remembered that i would put jars of
    olives in both their christmas stockings when they were
    little. personal olives. all for themselves. no
    sharing.
    oh love to you…i wonder when it will happen?

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  43. margaret johnson Avatar
    margaret johnson

    WOW Grace what a fabulous post. What a fabulous conversation. The photograph of you, your daughter and grandaughter is just beautiful. Like many, I love your blog, but I can’t always participate. Words are failing me once again……… Marg. oxox

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  44. Linda Avatar

    being able to maintain our role as the heroine of the play. we will need to defer.
    this really touched me.. i feel like i am in that part of my life too. isn’t it funny how fast it came around. i am not stepping down but i am stepping back.
    my daughter and grandson come tomorrow and my son lives here. so we will be together. i will post a picture so you can see our family.
    love to you my friend..

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  45. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    your rephrasing above brought clarity…
    maybe it’s stepping OVER, like sideways..like move Over
    so everyone has some room?
    i am going to think about this. it’s great.
    and oh, finally, it’s the day before they get there.
    Have just the best time and i will wait for word..
    xoxo

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  46. Linda Avatar

    its finally here, yes..
    i am so ready but not. clean sheets to make bed ..
    got all the grammy treats..
    popsicles, cookies and ice cream cones.
    the right milk and stuff for ham sandwiches.. his favorite.
    i will let you know..
    nice to know you are there..

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  47. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    words. well…just thank you for this, a lot. you
    would be surprised maybe at how often i wonder what
    you are doing….
    re Post, it’s something i think about a lot.
    hope all is well though wordless…
    love to you,
    g

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  48. handstories Avatar

    I missed a few days, then came & read these posts, could not focus, came again, and tonight, again, and as i was able to set aside some of the big blocks in my head, making room for THIS- now i am here in it, wrapped in it, wanting to go to sleep right now and be with it all.
    i find such comfort here. i do have the occasional panic, that there isn’t enough time for it all, but am working hard to be here now. it helps to have big sisters like you. one of my best friends(who the socks were for) is 76 and talks of big plans, that will take years…this also gives me perspective and reassurance.
    and there is more of that light, in all of your eyes, and a knowing, a knowing of yourselves and of each other. i wish for that, hope for that. can i have that with boys? i think moon & i glimmer it at each other.
    xxo

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  49. grace Forrest Maestas Avatar
    grace Forrest Maestas

    this photograph is of a moment in time. one day, and
    really, one moment.
    it took 60 something, 30 something, 20 something years
    to arrive at and has circled off from it again and will
    continue.
    if you had asked me say, 5 years? before this moment of
    this photograph, if you had asked me if it were possible,
    this moment, i very probably could not have imagined it.
    but here we are/there we were and everything is in
    motion.
    and yes. i don’t really think it matters…come to
    think of it, it was my son taking the pic. i was looking
    at him, while standing with them.

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