that Coming In to My Own.

Work Away and the gifts from their Ethiopia trip were there….

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this woven shawl made by the Wood Gatherers Weaving Coop.  Women who had in the past gathered fire wood all around to sell for a "living",  had somehow managed to form a Weaving Co op instead.  It's beautiful,  synthetic fibers,  but beautiful nonetheless. 

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this clay Guinea Hen….even MORE BeautyFULL to me.

a long conversation with Granddaughter about Vaginas and Goats.  Here,  maybe more about Goats than  might be hoped,  but in keeping with Coming Into My Own,  an exchange that helped me get to a New and maybe Possible place with this Goat keeping????  

the dog trainer,  hardnosed Jan is adamant about NOT opening herds to the most vague possibility of disease.  And though i have always known things at some level,  i am now looking closely.  If you expose your Goats to one of the diseases that are common enough,  they are not fit to provide milk or cheese on any public level.  They are not suitable to sell or breed with others.   It happens quietly and to an entire herd.  It is passed on to any future kids.

So, here's the dilemma….i had said,  without a lot of thought,  to Kelly,  who took the two does with problem scurs,  that she could use a buck from here when she was ready.  That means the buck going there,  as TenZen did to Jan's   or the does coming back Here and me setting up a place to keep them till they got bred.  Either way,  this zeros out the Closed Herd factor.  Meaning nothing in/Nothing Out.  Jan tests all her animals  as needed.  Because she sells the lambs as meat and because she sells Goat Shares for milk.  She is meticulous.  And what she sells is CLEAN and Organic and Pure.  And she can guarantee that.  So i think.

She also has told me that before she asked me to test TenZen,…a significant expense…she called Everywhere trying to find a Tested Buck.  No Dice.  

SO.  trying to keep this as short as possible,  i am thinking aloud to granddaughter today…What IF?

What IF i could advertise,  like on Craigs List,  a Closed Herd of Purebred Nigerians…What if i could further be able to say that they were fully tested?  WOULD that come to be a possibility toward maybe breeding a couple of these does here and being able to make CHEESE but also be able to have their kids  Desirable to other milking herds…the kids?????

MAYBE.  a very BIG maybe.    THIS is very uhhh,  very   well, very Possible.  Thinking.

and i forgot…so am adding this…Because i had said that to Kelly,  i feel responsible for keeping my word.  If I don't want to let any of these bucks take that chance,  then what?  So i am in a HUNT for a Nigerian buckling.  This is the time of kidding.  I am trying to find a buckling for her.  I'll buy it and give it to them.  Keeping your word is critical.

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I made a VAT of macaroni and cheese to put into containers for the Old Cowboy's freezer.  He will be happy as a clam tomorrow.

 

 

 

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15 responses to “Feelin it Even More”

  1. Tina Avatar
    Tina

    Such treasures from such a far away place….too be treasured! So much to think about when it comes to the goats….I just had no idea…each one thing seems to require another.

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  2. grace Avatar

    Tina…it does. we are talking about pets…as these Goats are becoming against
    my Hope, or, OR, participating members in the Community of Life. Beings that
    provide FOOD. That by being cared for well and whole heartedly, can then
    GIVE back that caring. It’s no small thing. It’s complex. And it wasn’t
    anything that i ever wanted to be RESPONSIBLE for. I had only wanted to
    help
    but so it goes. Here we are. How do we DO it?

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  3. Judith in N. CA Avatar
    Judith in N. CA

    When I had my sheep, I ran a “closed barn”…rams were tested prior to when I occasional brought a new one in. I made visitors put bags over their shoes from the second they got out of their cars…it paid off. Certain diseases even contaminate the ground and wood in your barn. Perhaps some googling of various goat breeders would show you what others are doing and whether it would be worth all the expense. You could also email some of them and get a feel for value versus costs. It would be lovely to have solid goats and their products going out into the world.

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  4. julie Avatar

    So what are the down sides, other than the discipline and structure you need to impose? Or is that a significant downside in and of itself? Can you help Kelly find goat semen or is that not a commodity that gets separated from bucks?

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  5. Marti Avatar
    Marti

    If you were going to continue and breed the does, I think that you would have to find help because as you said, they usually birth multiples. Although you did it a few years ago, depending on how many does you would breed, it is a huge amount of work for one person…but then I think of the cheese you made, the extraordinary creamy cheese. Although I know you wouldn’t make cheese on a commercial scale, whatever you did make would be so well received and worth it not to mention your satisfaction and all that you learned about making and going further with the cheese. Just think, the next time you would make a huge vat of macaroni and cheese, you could add your fresh goat cheese along with the cheddar. ( I have a great recipe for Green Chili Cheese Macaroni using goat cheese and cheddar.)
    And it must be said that although you would not have taken on the responsibility of goats, here you are with a fine herd that continues through your study, diligence, hard work, and most of all caring and attention,

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  6. yvette Avatar

    maybe i miss the point but i thought you stopped breading because the doe problem was too big?

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  7. grace Avatar

    Yvette…you make a GOOD POINT…that there are SO many points
    about this, points of view, and i have and am wandering through
    ALL of them trying to come to some conclusion….
    This has been a HUGE LEARNING for me, a huge learning Curve
    that is still on the up swing….
    I have to go to work now, but will come back with more…
    but THANK YOU FOR ASKING
    love

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  8. Mo Crow Avatar

    Ah the noblesse oblige… in your situation I would arrange for the vet to collect the semen from either Gideon, TenZen or Nogal & then go over to Kelly’s to do the deed by artificial insemination & then breed a new baby buck for them but I would talk to Kelly and her family first as they may not want to look after a buck.

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  9. saskia Avatar

    oh Julie, only you could phrase the question quite like this, thank you as I am now grinning from ear to ear;
    my own question here was more to the point: there was mention of a long talk on vaginas and goats, however, there it remained and on with the goat talk……I will make up for it in my own mind I guess; I have to say Grace your relationship with your granddaughter is amazing!

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  10. grace Avatar

    THANK YOU BEYOND THANK YOU for these words…i tend to go on the hope that Everything Will Be Fine, and learning from the growing
    connection from Jan the Dog Trainer who i might have said to be
    a little OCD about stuff, i am facing the reality that she is
    really, meticulous, about her animals. No less. And when i
    think about it, if it is someone’s intention to continue a
    relationship with an animal for it’s lifespan, they deserve no
    less. If you plan to just take them to the Sale Barn in a year
    or so, it doesn’t really matter. But their Long Term WELL BEING
    DOES
    DOES
    matter.
    REALLY….THANK YOU SO SO VERY MUCH for telling me this

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  11. grace Avatar

    discipline and structure needing to be imposed. BEAUTIFUL!
    Yes…actually, Mo suggested this. and i called the dear Vet
    who is getting a work out from my patronage and Yes. He COULD
    collect semen. Yes. He collects from Cattle, Horses and dogs.
    GOATS are tricky, but yes.
    But what i’d rather do is find her a young buck of her own.
    Am working on that.
    I LOVE YOU, Julie you are so like my Granddaughter in your head

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  12. grace Avatar

    like the One’s here…Amazing

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  13. grace Avatar

    well………….I would only breed one or two. And IF their kids
    could be of Worth, because of their genetics AND the fact that
    they are totally from a closed tested herd, they would likely
    have such a BETTER chance at being desirable to Dairy herds.
    Not just weed eaters which most Goats are perceived to be.
    This would make it possible for me. It’s the destiny of the
    offspring that is my great dilemma

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  14. grace Avatar

    i need to still organize my thoughts about this, but your
    GREAT question floats in my mind

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  15. grace Avatar

    yes. and EXcellent thought. I called the Vet, talked about this.
    Talked to Kelly. We Think. Called Deanna, from my daughter’s
    days in Los Lunas, who is kidding with two does in the next
    days. A little buck from her?????
    BUCK SOUP, big time….

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