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Tazmeena spending most of the morning on her food ledge being Effective.  Meaning Tay,  now sometimes Tay a  would approach,  but back off.   Not long toward noon,  i took her,  Tazmeena, out to under the porch.  and so,  another day under the house.  But,  in a certain way,  Nice.  It's cool there.  More than could be said about where the rest of Us were.

 

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looking around, she found the potatoe/onion basket under the counter.  Stole a potato.

 

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took it into her crate.  It wasn't what she'd imagined.  But she kept it.

I returned the call of the dog trainer Jan.   A lot was exchanged.  But what was most Important was her answer to my question about comotion when Giving Water and biting the hose nozzle.  About why she is so seemingly non responsive to the word   NO.  

Because Dorothy who had her for her first 8/9 months follows Jan's Teaching Advice.    The word No isn't a part of that.   That growly sound….ehhhh,  is not a No,  it is what dog trainer Jan calls an Interrupter.   It signals something.  Only that.  Beyond that,  and this is what i found extremely interesting,  beyond that,  is up to ME.  I don't want her chewing cheerfully on the spray nozzle.  I don't want her in the vegetable bed.  But as Jan explained,  that's nice,  but doesn't mean a lot to her.  With the word NO,  she might stop,  but she would go On,  with something else,  maybe the same,  just with a few minutes interruption.  No gives her no information, really.  Nothing she can work with.   So,  you think ahead.  You REDIRECT.  you ask yourself:  What do i WANT her to be doing?   Not…what do i want her to stop doing.  

What do i want her to be doing?

well, in this instance it would be….Anything.  I don't care….but just to stop the hose nozzle stuff.  

so…setting this up,  i brought one of the Goats water tubs…big….maybe almost 3ft across and 8" deep…maybe more,  and set it in the middle of the raised beds that are in question.   I put her big blue chew thing (should have taken a pic)  in my pocket.   Filled the tub with water,  8 " deep, at least and set about watering.  When she came to see what was happening,  i threw her "toy" into the tub with great splashing.   She retrieved it and RAN circles around the maybe 1/3rd acre,  round and round until she returned it and again….Splash!…her retr ieving and running.  Over and Over and all the while i am cheerfully giving water.  

Yes.  Not just NO,  but what would you Rather they do?  REDIRECT.  i wish i'd known about this when i had teen age kids.

 

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24 responses to “so, day Three. Good.”

  1. Nancy Avatar

    Now I am picturing her going round and round on this cloth!
    And yes, the what DO you want? This is what we practice with toddlers. Instead of DON’T climb on the table…it’s “Feet on the floor please” (or something along those lines) I had never thought of this as a dog training idea 🙂 Enjoy your watering!

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  2. Mo Crow Avatar

    oh this is so good Tazmeena looks well pleased, Tay is such a bright spark and the cloth is spinning along, what was that line about finding the still point in the middle of the spin from the spinning sufis…

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  3. Nanette Avatar

    Love the image of her running joyfully and returning to you….she has a task now….I used the word ‘trade’ with Mirrhi, whatever she was doing that I didn’t want her to, I’d say ‘trade’ and give her something….a toy, a treat, a stick whatever. After a bit I could say trade ….always with her name first…and she’d stop what she was doing, or chewing and come to see what was I trading her. Same thing, redirecting. Oh you’ll have fun now, working out ways to keep one step ahead 🙂 I think I grew a million new brain cells, thinking, planning.

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  4. Deb G Avatar

    Laughing…when I adopted Briar I decided I was going to have a well behaved dog so I signed up for a class. I wasn’t even through the first one when I realized is was the same as with children… focus on what you want and don’t let them get bored plus lots of love.

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  5. Deb G Avatar

    Hooray for the success! Briar used to be really mouthy when she greeted people so we started giving her a stuffed animal as part of the greeting routine. A couple weeks ago a friend came by and even though she hasn’t done this in forever she found something and had it in her mouth. I can’t remember exactly what it was, I think a ball of yarn she had found somewhere.

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  6. grace Avatar

    i’m thinking that Training is Training…one size fits
    all. Feet on the floor is a good thing, no matter who
    you are.

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  7. grace Avatar

    Tay has a BIG Bore factor….

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  8. grace Avatar

    O Lordy….to find the still point…..right now it’s
    total Spin

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  9. grace Avatar

    it’s a huge challenge. my mantra is ” it’s not forever”
    thinking that i won’t need to do so much thinking one
    of these days….

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  10. grace Avatar

    that’s funny….there are so many small things that can
    work…and again, it’s being open to realizing i need to
    constantly look for them. When something works for her she
    is extremely agreeable.

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  11. beth Avatar

    Phew. I’m watching and not commenting because I am so much a cat person. But it is interesting. I can’t really imagine the effort and energy this will require. You must BE alpha, watchful, and anticipating. This is not about just going. But she does have a strong presence and she looks like she would be protective. This dog is SO not a Misty! More of a Tsunami than a mist!

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  12. jude Avatar

    it is all about thinking positive i think.

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  13. Nanette Avatar

    Grace, such a funny dream I had with you in it?? I’m going away in a couple of months and it must be on my mind I haven’t found the right housesitter yet. Well, somehow….in dreamworld…..you knew this and offered. You “popped over” (I’m in Oz) to check things out and met the animals, looked at my vegetable garden, met the neighbours, we had a lovely visit and you said yes, I’ll do it, I’ll be back. I was so relieved, and thinking Grace is soo nice…..but woke up chuckling.

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  14. handstories Avatar

    I am tired just reading these posts! You have a deep patience. She is just like a toddler…and you’re right, teens-! Maybe I should dig out the “Becoming the Parent You Want to be” book, which was my bible & start applying all the same info again. ha!

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  15. grace Forrest Avatar

    don’t picture that

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  16. grace Forrest Avatar

    Tsunami, yes. and nothing about it is about Just Going,
    you’ve got that.

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  17. grace Forrest Avatar

    i feel so honored to be dreamed…and …yup…that’s
    exactly the way it would go. I’d do a great job of it too.

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  18. grace Forrest Avatar

    just get a dog training book.

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  19. Nanette Avatar

    yes, you would, I have no doubt. when can you be here 🙂

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  20. Cornelia Avatar
    Cornelia

    Grace, I have started reading your blog since I “met” you on Considering Weave. I live in So. AZ, and am
    a dog person. This is just my opinion, but I am not convinced that giving up on the use of “No” is such
    a great idea. Think of what your cat did, the smack on the nose? That’s not a redirect, it’s a “no.” I have had lots of dogs, and lots of dog trainers, and I still think using a very definite “no” for some non-negotiable things is not a bad idea. Just because your new dog doesn’t know it doesn’t mean you couldn’t easily teach it. She looks like a very curious, very shrewd dog. That also means she is one who will be challenging you for a while. I wish you the best in your little kingdom of animals.
    Cornelia

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  21. grace Avatar

    Cornelia, THANKS!..for showing up in just this moment with
    these thoughts. Perfect!
    i have come to agree. not sure which word is the best,
    no or stop but it Can be worked with redirecting a lot of
    the time but sometimes it’s just needed as is. And yes.
    Curious and…shrewd. love the use of that word. i watch
    her make Decisions now….really interesting to see.
    about not using no, trainer said that it would stop
    whatever was happening in the moment but dog will just
    find something else. well….Yes. and that’s
    SELF redirecting. and to me is also as important. In the case of beginning to chew the edge of the rug, no. then telling her to get “toy” a word she was trained with, which is a really beat up stuffed rabbit which she will do. She understood that very clearly. Toy came with her.
    She really gives it a work out but also doesn’t push it to the point it loses parts, like ears.
    anyway..where we are on day five is trying to look at
    how stressful and or risky she is for old dog Chinche.
    Yesterday, that what was rising up…Tay’s relentness in bugging Chinche. All she wants to do is play, but Chinche doesn’t play. never did and now is physically not up to it. Tay is on her butt, constantly, Chinche cannot find any peace unless she stops dead in her tracks and lays down. Then Tay goes off to do something else. Second Chinche gets up, Tay appears and there it goes again. is incessant and very wearing. I’m willing to do a LOT but
    i am not willing to spend entire days at it. Like every
    minute of entire days. OR, maybe i am. Tay is a really Great dog and Perfect for this little Diorama, and how much is just her puppyness is a big question. But also
    how much of this puppyness and also just instinctive behaviors will be too much for an old Dog who has been and is now a much loved and honored being.
    I THANK YOU for taking the time to weigh in….it is
    MUCH appreciated and also, glad you came by from the
    Diaries and oh JEEZ…how HOT is it in Southern Arizona!!!!
    xo and again, thanks…

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  22. Cornelia Avatar
    Cornelia

    Well, I am going to say what I think, and you can ignore me, something I tell my grown kids all the time…
    From my experience, it is going to be a strain on the older dog, and may even shorten her life. Tough to hear, but makes sense if you think of it. The new dog is a challenger, and is
    now there all the time. May be better to let Chinche be along until she ends her days, in my opinion.
    Also, think about stopping the new dog from chewing the carpet and they giving her a toy instead??? Sounds like a reward to me, very confusing for the dog at the least.
    I have always adopted hard-to-place dogs, when I had more land and a bigger house, not any more. But sometimes, it’s just not the right fit at the right time. And your older dog is bound to wonder why all your attention is not going to the interloper.
    Hard thing to hear, so please feel free to ignore me.
    Hot here !! Today will be 105, So basically another day inside air-conditioned house. I moved here from Northern California, so this heat is new, but I actually like it most of the time.
    Cornelia

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  23. Cornelia Avatar
    Cornelia

    I meant alone, not along in the first paragraph.

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